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« on: April 07, 2014, 11:01:37 pm »
This is a place to have religious people to respectfully debate stuff and happenings in this world that are linked to religious stuff or to prophecies. And it is also a place for all religious people to be remember religion so they do not forget it or get lost in the systems bullsh¡t deceiving tricks.

SCIENCE is accepted as a tool of God and NOT hated or attacked, but it is not seen as a replacement to God, but seen as a tool for God.

But if you do not accept science at all it is your opinion we do not hate you for it, even if we may disagree on some points.
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Re: Religion
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2014, 11:02:10 pm »
The mistake many people do when thinking of God.

The mistake many do is that they personify God by comparing God to a human. They fail to understand that God is a multi universe and multi dimensional being or entity. Yes I say "or entity" since God is not a being as in a human being.

EXAMPLE: Think if you could make self conscious robots with there own world were humans are not allowed. For the robots you would be an alien in there world, though your not since you made them and there world.

To understand god we have to stop measuring him/it with human measures. We know of the world full of matter since we can only measure matter. But what is "multi universe and multi dimensional" for us is impossible to measure and impossible to understand if we do not use some imagination.

"Imagination is more important then knowledge" since were there is no imagination there is no knowledge.

EXAMPLE of how our imagination works: The computer is said to be able to make a 3D image but what it makes is a 2D image in such a way that it mimics the 3D. But it is limited and even if it would use lasers to make the 3D imagine it would still be 2D but arranged in 3D positions. But our mind has enough imagination to understand that it looks like a 3D image.

EXAMPLE why we need imagination to understand God:
If you make a computer with consciousness and software that can learn from what it seas in its web cam, but you do NOT program your existence in it but the only thing that would have programmed it is how stones look. It will take a long time since stones do not move for it to figure out that you even exist though you would be sitting right in front of its web camera and when it does it will NOT know what you are and think that your equal with a moving stone.

Without imagination that computer will NEVER understand that the being right in front of him is who made him as the computer and software as he is.

EXAMPLE of why humans think we made God:
And even if after a VERY VERY long time the computer would figure out that your not a stone it would still NOT figure out that you made it and would try to find logical explanations to how you were made by it.

EXAMPLE of why we humans compare God with what we know of.
When this computer would figure out your not a stone it will compare you to another computer and think that your just an think another computer created and not real.

Though you are more real then he as a computer is. But it would NEVER understand that you are real and its software not matter and that you created it if it does not have the capacity of imagination.

Imagination is ABOVE science and knowledge to understand the world and find the knowledge to find the evidence.

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THE MISTAKE
The mistake some make is that they take "evidence in science with logic as first, Imagination second and last knowledge".
But the TRUTH is that "Imagination comes FIRST, then logic with knowledge then evidence in science".
And that is because you can NOT have knowledge if you can not have the imagination of how to search for that knowledge and there for no science can be made with no imagination.
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Re: Religion
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2014, 10:11:52 pm »
REMEMBER
Matthew 5
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

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Re: Religion
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2014, 10:57:12 pm »
The Book of Revelation & the Seven Seals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUfhshqgNjs
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Re: Religion
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2014, 10:58:05 pm »
Wake Up see the NWO deception?
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Re: Religion
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2014, 11:09:38 pm »
How old is the Orthodox faith?
Orthodox are the FIRST Christian on the planet NOT the Catholic.

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If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.
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If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry.
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If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.
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If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
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If you are Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Senbury in the American colonies in the 17th century.
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If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1606.
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If you are of the Dutch Reformed Church, you recognize Michelis Jones as founder because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.
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If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1774.
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If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, New York, in 1829.
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If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
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If you are Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
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If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as "Church of the Nazarene, Pentecostal Gospel," "Holiness Church," or "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past hundred years.
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If you are Roman Catholic, your church shared the same rich apostolic and doctrinal heritage as the Orthodox Church for the first thousand years of its history, since during the first millennium they were one and the same Church. Lamentably, in 1054, the Pope of Rome broke away from the other four Apostolic Patriarchates (which include Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem), by tampering with the Original Creed of the Church, and considering himself to be infallible. Thus your church is 1,000 years old.
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If you are Orthodox Christian, your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It has not changed since that time. Our church is now almost 2,000 years old. And it is for this reason, that Orthodoxy, the Church of the Apostles and the Fathers is considered the true "one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church." This is the greatest legacy that we can pass on to the young people of the new millennium.
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MY QUESTION:
For you who condemn Christianity on the basis of what the Catholic church have done in the dark ages I ask of you:
"What mass evils have the Orthodox church who is the first what mass evils have the Orthodox church done in the name of God using religion for you to have the right to judge the Orthodox as well?".
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Atheist motives: "The Orthodox teachings are as corrupt as Catholic."
LOGIC: If the teachings are as corrupt should it not give the SAME outcome? Why does it not?
Or maybe Atheists understand the teachings to be the same but the truth is that they are not since the same book or text can be understood in different ways?
If that is the case then what we should watch out for is who gives the teachings form the book and not the book.
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Re: Religion
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2014, 11:25:24 pm »
This priest monk tells the truth about them who do bad things in the name of the bible EXPOSING the Vatican Catholic church.
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MY COMMENT and QUESTION:
"Independent" is important because they are them who are with the Vatican. The "Independent" Byzantine Christian Orthodoxy also has no blood on there hands though we hm... they use the bible as well exactly like the Catholics but how come they NEVER did any bad things as the Catholics have done. How come? I mean if the bible made the Catholics do evils should not also the Orthodoxy have done evils in the name of God using the bible?
Does this not prove what I said of the bible that it is them who used it wrong that did evils in its name and it is not the bible itself that makes people do evils?
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Re: Religion
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2014, 12:03:29 am »
PROOF that the Orthodox was the first Christians not Catholics.
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FACTS:
- That the Romans killed Christians before they became Christians and that the Armenian Orthodoxy is older then the Catholic Church.
- Catholicism was founded by Peter wile Orthodox was founded by Jesus. yet not the Orthodox church though the church was founded before the Roman Catholic was.
- Orthodoxy can survive without a church but the Catholicism can not. Orthodoxy has survived 3 times without a church. 1 in the Roman time, 2 after the fall of the Byzantine and 3 in the communist time were churches were forbidden and all Orthodox was under the communist.
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If you are Roman Catholic, your church shared the same rich apostolic and doctrinal heritage as the Orthodox Church for the first thousand years of its history, since during the first millennium they were one and the same Church. Lamentably, in 1054, the Pope of Rome broke away from the other four Apostolic Patriarchates (which include Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem), by tampering with the Original Creed of the Church, and considering himself to be infallible. Thus your church is 1,000 years old.
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If you are Orthodox Christian, your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It has not changed since that time. Our church is now almost 2,000 years old. And it is for this reason, that Orthodoxy, the Church of the Apostles and the Fathers is considered the true "one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church." This is the greatest legacy that we can pass on to the young people of the new millennium.
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Re: Religion
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2014, 12:53:40 pm »
The TRUTH behind brainwashed people.
When you truly realize this with your heart, soul and mind then you are on a good way of waking up out of it and see how many do not see reality.
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In the majority of people BOTH religious and atheists people are more or less brainwashed. I am Byzantine Orthodox Christian in my own way and I also believe in Science and Logic and I see the brainwashing in people every day in both religious and atheists alike. The way the human mind works is not different if you are a Theist or a Atheist. The human mind may have different ideas and different perspectives of the world, but the way it works to have those perspectives and ideas is the SAME.
I see both in Atheists and Theist alike a trust in authority though that authority differs of who it is. In those who are extreme you can see the likeliness of them though they would hate you to death if you tried to show that they were alike.
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EXAMPLE:
1a- Extreme religious people have trust in what there living religious humans tell them and that itself makes me wonder if they even know what God is? Its more likely they think they know what God is out of what they are brainwashed to think by there religious leaders. Making them believe in ANY bullsh¡t they are told by there religious leaders and there for making the leaders a God for them and not the God they say they cherish.
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2- Extreme Atheists think that religion is all bad and that science is always the answer. But in there naivety since they trust science that much they often believe ANY bullsh¡t the media tells them as long as it is explained in scientific ways. And by doing so those Atheists make the media and the system they live in there leaders and a equally brainwashed slaves as the people they hate in religion. just not brainwashed by religion but brainwashed by the system instead.
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3- Religious people who are also in the middle of being Atheists like Deists and so on... Some of them trust both ways the church and the system and science in media and and not at the same time. These often think they are free from brainwashing, but what happens is tat often just chose to jump between being brainwashed by fake religious interests and laying scientific media. Ending up with just jumping from one brainwash to another and back again and so on in a never ending circle.
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In the end the result is that people have to "WAKE UP" and realize that it is not believes who destroy us but what destroys is our mental state, the way we let ourselves be lead by asshóles who brainwash us for personal greedy gain.
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PERSONALLY:
Now you may wonder as long as I know and I am aware of all this why have I chose to believe in a God and be Byzantine Orthodox Christian? The answer for me is from my personal experience.
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So how does one explain all this in a simple term? I guess there is no way of explaining to them who have no learned it through life except "live, do research, and read everything and trust nobody human" and in religion NEVER trust to 100% human religious leaders.
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Yet why I believe in God and Jesus at all is a persona question that can only be answered by my experience in life who I can not tell cause that would mean writing a book online.
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Re: Religion
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2014, 01:04:24 pm »
Gods judgment
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God judges you for your wrong doing and not for there wrong doings. You will not be punished through karma or after death on the basis of what others do around you, but only on the basis of what you did to others. Any punishment from others comes from humans and never from God. God only judges what you do and often you are the one punishing yourself and by doing so you get punished by God without you being conscious of it and if you realize it you accept it and if you don't realize it you will start hating God for the wrongs you drove upon yourself.
Example: If you kill and get away from the law but end up handicapped from a accident you can ether blame your own doings or you could be ignorant it and blame God for the accident and ignoring what you did before.
Karma exists but it is part of Gods plan to make people realize there wrongs before they death when there will be no turning back.
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